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Story Of This Radio Interview - Shared By Marge
This Radio Interview was discovered online in a simple website offered by Pathways Radio, in 2000. My friend, Ron, sent it to me and said, "Wow, doesn't this sound like the emails?" It sure did to me!!! The wording and phrasing are pretty much identical.
I wrote to the folks at Pathways Radio, asking how and where and when they got the interview with Babaji. Here is their reply:
"Dear Ms. Devivo:
"The Babaji interview took place at least 3 or more years ago. At that time some of the programs were transcribed. Anyway, we were at a health expo and this middle aged man approached us and said that he was a channel for Babaji and that he would have Babaji come forth if we would put a link to the Babaji website.
"We don't know who this person is and never saw him again. We couldn't find any Babaji.net website but some months ago someone said that this site did exist, so true to our word, we put up the link.
"The tape has been taped over but I remember someone mentioning that the man had a deep voice and the voice that he channelled was high pitched and shy sounding.
"Hope this helps.
The Interview By Dr. Bob Follows:
Dr. Bob: Welcome to to the program. We are waiting for Babaji to appear. This master has been seen in different times and places and in different bodies since recorded time. He was last found in a cave in the Himalayan mountains in an eighteen year old body. He shared his teachings, guidance, and message until 1984 when he left that body. You can read about him in "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Yogananda and in "I Am Harmony" by Radhe Shyam, which delves into the most recent appearance of Babaji in Herakhan, India.
Babaji: Hello Bob. Om Namah Shivai.
Dr. Bob: Is that you Babaji?
Babaji: Yes. I have come forth to give a message about the great changes and how to live in the higher path and come through these changes by living in Truth,Simplicity and Love and by serving others and connecting to God.
Dr. Bob: What was that expression you used?
Babaji: It is the mantra that I have come to share with all who are open to receive it. It can calm a disturbed mind and heal a sick body. It can enable you to connect with your higher self and God.
Dr. Bob: What does it mean or translate to?
Babaji: It simply means "I bow to the divine within", or for a western mind, "Thy will be done".
Dr. Bob: And how do you use this mantra.?
Babaji: Repeat the mantra on a daily basis when at work or during meditation. Japa is repeating the mantra while passing a mala bead or what you call a rosary bead through your fingers each time you say the mantra.There are 108 beads in a mala. But you don't have to do this. You can simply repeat it silently.
Dr. Bob: For those reading the transcript how do you pronounce it?
Babaji: It is pronounced like this "Ooommm Na-ma She-veye"
Dr. Bob: What are these great changes you are speaking of?
Babaji: The great changes or Great Revolution has started. It will be both wondrous and destructive. Most of mankind will be destroyed as Nature balances out the great injustices that mankind has caused against the environment and each other. There are a few out there who will be open to this message and will repeat the mantra, live in Truth, Simplicity and Love and serve others. They will live on the higher path, attach themselves to God. They will be brave and always walk on. There will be many mountains to cross, but they will not stop until the goal is reached. They will be strong, and will never feel disheartened. These will survive the Great Revolution.
Dr. Bob: What does your message have to do with change?
Babaji: Change is nothing new. It is a Law of nature. What is born must die and what dies must be born. The human being is enslaved to his lower path. The higher self must be developed, so that the lower self is destroyed and the heart is transformed.
Dr. Bob: The first part of your message is living in Truth. What do you mean by that?
Babaji: Man is enslaved by his lower self. This causes him to desire things, power and acquire as much as possible. In order to do this man must lie, con and scheme. In your culture things are rarely sold truthfully.
Dr. Bob: Yes, I know what you mean. The other day I went shopping for a computer from an ad which listed the system and the price. When I got to the store I found out that it would cost 300 more dollars to get the proper operating system installed and the right parts to complete the system. When I went to lease a compact car for 259 dollars I found out about the true cost which included acquisition fees, delivery fees. prep fees, excess mileage fees, excess wear and tear fees, taxes, title, license, extra insurance, maintenance fees, loan fees, etc. which brought the true cost up to 500 dollars a month not including gas! There are always these extra costs that are never mentioned. Same thing with a house. When you add everything up you pay about three times the actual price. But your brain is saying "yeah, its only 110 thousand" or "wow, this car is only 259 dollars a month."
Babaji: Yes, business is filled with half truth, cons and downright lies.All part of man's lower nature and his desire to acquire things.
Dr. Bob: I guess the idea of low balling the price is to get you in for the bait and switch or selling you something you don't really need so the profit is higher. I guess which is why people hate going to the dealer to buy a car.
Babaji: And living in Truth is not limited to business. It really involves our relationships. How many times have you told a lie to a loved one?
Dr. Bob: In the past, guilty as charged. But on the higher path I find that there is no need for that.
Babaji: If we lived in truth most problems of this world would disappear.
Dr. Bob: So the first part of your message is to be truthful. Truthful about your service, business, and about your relationships.
Babaji: It is important that the words coming out of your mouth are truthful. That you should not engage in idle chatter or gossip. It is better to be silent than to utter lies that will surely come back and haunt you. As it is written in your western religion, "The truth shall set you free."
And also there is truth in our relationships when we are on the higher path. We are honest with our loved ones. We don't treat people like expendable throw away things. We don't acquire people like we acquire things. If you live in truth then much of the problems of this world would cease to exist. We would not go to war in the name of one God against another God when we really want to acquire the things of the enemy. And this leads to the second part of my message ... Simplicity.
Dr. Bob: Simplicity?
Babaji: YES. Our desire for things has created a great imbalance and toll on this world's environment. This acquisition has led to the few owning and controlling most of the wealth. And as this imbalance becomes more distorted, the odds of a great war and the destructive backlash of the environment causing horrible diseases becomes more likely. But if we were on the high path, we would live in simplicity. How many homes does one need to live in. How many clothes do we need to dress with. Things, things and more things. Soon they own us. We worry about these things. We steal them. Go to war over them. Spend our time guarding and maintaining them. We become bored with things, discard them, get new things and repeat the cycle over and over. But we are still lonely, unfulfilled, agitated.
Dr. Bob: So on the higher path one would desire few things and live simply yet still be comfortable.
Babaji: Yes. The Buddha once said that if you cannot in a moments notice leave your home and all your things you could never be enlightened.
Dr. Bob: That's because we become attached to all of our stuff so we can't free the mind to explore the higher pathways.
Babaji: Exactly. On the high path one becomes attached to nothing, but there is a connection, a spiritual connection to the higher self, that part of you, the real you, the one who observes the Universe, the one connected to the Creator. Now, this doesn't mean that you should give up your things. It means that things are things. And on the higher path, one is not attached to things, but merely observes.
Dr. Bob: Observes?
Babaji: Yes, the true higher self is an observer who watches without judgment, without thought.
Dr. Bob: Without judgment or thought we can't be attached to things or conditioned by them.
Babaji: Yes. Just observation without desire. And without desire one can live in simplicity.
Dr. Bob: So if mankind lived in simplicity the environment would stay in balance, there would be enough food and things for everyone. And there would be no cause for war, hunger, or poverty. But this sounds like a fantasy. Civilization has been around for 15-20 thousand years and nothing has changed .It's only getting worse.
Babaji: Yes, but your world is coming into a period of great destructive change. And if simplicity is not adapted, then nature will do it the hard way by destroying much of humanity.
Dr. Bob: And how will that happen?
Babaji: There will be great changes upon your world. Much of humanity will be destroyed by disease unleashed from the hidden recesses of the land. Others will face the great fire from within.
Dr. Bob: What kind of diseases?
Babaji: Microbes, such as viruses that normally live in isolated areas will be unleashed as the environment becomes used up.
Dr. Bob: What about economic activity?
Babaji: This too is in a severe state of imbalance. The few who have most of the wealth are now enslaving the poor more than at any other time in history.
Dr. Bob: What do you mean? There is no slavery.
Babaji: When a large corporation pays a worker 10 cents an hour housing them in a barbed wired compound that you would never live in and sells their finished product for many many times its cost to you and then the few owners of the corporation keep the excess profit while the worker is underpaid and you overpay. This is enslavement that comes from greed.
Dr. Bob: How will this effect us?
Babaji: This form of greed will lead to war. The masses will rise up with sticks and stones and will overpower the largest armies. And the consumers, when they find out of this will support the downtrodden ... but let us get to the last part of my message.
Dr. Bob: And that is ...
Babaji: Love. Truth, Simplicity, and Love. And Love on the higher path is unconditional. It is like the higher self who observes without thought, without desire, without judgment. And love of the Creator. Repeat Om Namah Shivay and you will connect to your higher self which is God.
Dr. Bob: So Babaji, the higher pathway consists of living in Truth, Simplicity, and Love. Is that correct?
Babaji: It is how we are to live in this body on this world. There is also meditation which is the chanting of the mantra Om Nama Shivay.
Dr. Bob: Once more for those who are reading the transcript how is the mantra pronounced?
Babaji: Like this: Ommmm Nahh-ma She-veye
Dr. Bob: Ok. Now Babaji, how long have you been around?
Babaji: I am here from the beginning of time.
Dr. Bob: And where are you?
Babaji: I will at times create a body to reside in. At other times I will be here to guide you. Just say my name and I will hear you.
Dr. Bob: Are you in a body now?
Babaji: No, but this is not important. What is important is my message of Truth, Simplicity, and Love and that I am here if you need me. Strive to live on the higher path. Make it your purpose to serve others. That is why you are here on this world. That is the purpose of being in a body - to serve. It is not to make money, acquire things, power, knowledge - it is to serve. No matter what your capacity, no matter what the task or resource ... your purpose here, to be a human being, is to be in service, and your path of living is in Truth, Simplicity and Love.
Dr. Bob: What about the great dark changes that you speak of. Can we stop them, head them off, and save humanity?
Babaji: These changes, or what I call the Great Revolution are already set into motion. They ARE coming and are at the early stages of process. You are noticing the changes in climate, more extreme conditions in temperature, larger more powerful storms, more occurrences of volcanic and earthquake activity and more extremes in the economies. You notice the changes in the perception of time. Everything appears to be speeding up.
You see your relationships changing rapidly. You are agitated. You move and change jobs often. You need more and more, faster and faster multiple sensory input. Now these changes are here and will rapidly increase and there will be much destruction. This cannot be changed through technology. It is a bit too late. But there are some who will have an open mind. And to those who follow my message, you will survive this and you will go on to serve and create the wonderful changes that I also speak of.
Dr. Bob: And what can be wonderful after all of this destructive change you are predicting?
Babaji: After the Great Revolution, this world will enter a golden age. The environment will be in balance and mankind will have changed its ways by living on the higher path. There will be tremendous technology. It will take you to the stars in this galaxy and beyond to other galaxies. You will become a great race creating life throughout the universe. And you will meet up with sentient beings from other dimensions of space-time when your science breaks through the quantum backdrop, the ground of being from which everything comes, the HOLOFIELD.
Dr. Bob: Wow. And where does this all lead.
Babaji: You are the eyes and ears of the Universe. You are the observers of creation and its myriad things. And eventually, this leads you back to your real self - the Creator - when you will start another universe over and over in the dance of the creator. Remember, by just calling my name I will hear you. If you are open I will guide you ... repeat my mantra ... live in Truth, Simplicity and Love and remember your purpose in this body on this world is to serve ... (silence)
Dr. Bob: Babaji. Are you still here? ... I guess not. Well this certainly has been interesting and I hope that you will appear again sometime soon. Well, until next time my friends, please join us for another edition of Pathways, where we will explore the frontiers of mind, body and spirit. Until then, be well.
I was so blown away by this interview that I have to say I walked around in a daze for a few days (again!) and contemplated what this could mean. I also sent this to Babaji:
"This sure sounds like you. What is the deal?
"It does sound like me.
I was sending this to Ron, who found this whole thing, and I hit the wrong button and sent it to the Peacenews subscriber list! That is when I started to think "Man, this is a leela and a half! Babaji wants everyone to read this ... "but to be sure I didn't need to retract something, I wrote to Babaji, asking if I had messed up something, AND what do about it!!
"Wonder but worry not.
Believe me, I was WONDERING!!!
Then I continued to ask more directly if it was really Babaji behind this interview, or what was going on here. He didn't answer for awhile, but I think I asked about it 2 or 3 more times. What did I have to lose by being persistent about this? I sent this at the end of another email to Babaji:
"... p.s. I don't care if it was 'you' or not you at the radio interview. It sure is the same set of information, as far as I can tell. Many are saying that these emails are from an American devotee, and if so, I would like to meet this devotee and shake his hand and congratulate him on his internalization of the teachings, his wisdom, his clarity, his unconditional love and compassion. It is a blessing."
"I was in that body. I knew the name of my website years BEFORE YOU decided upon the name. Understand? I speak to many Hearts in many ways. You will learn of this. Many will say this and many will say that about Babaji. How can they know anything about no body? How can they know anything about no thing?
"If the mind tries to put Babaji in one place, in one body, in one culture, in one time, in one form ... how can that mind understand how to use the Teachings for spiritual growth? Shall we live in the dead past or shall we move forward through the eternal now.
Now, what could I possibly add to that?
OM Namah Shivaya
Love and Blessings,